Defenders of the Confederacy and the parks honoring it criticize Memphis City Council for trying to change history. It’s laughable, considering Memphis’s Civil War history.
It took two votes before Memphis sided with secession. They voted eight to one to remain in the Union in the first balloting in 1860, and it was only after people fanned fears of change that public sentiment turned around in the April, 1861, vote.
Even then, Memphis was only controlled by the Confederacy for 14 months. It only took a one-day naval battle on June 6, 1862, to put the city in control of Union forces until the end of the Civil War. The important-sounding Battle of Memphis lasted for all of 90 minutes and was witnessed by an estimated 5,000 people (of the 22,623 residents) who watched in a carnival environment on the bluffs.
The Battle of Memphis – which matched Union and Confederate navies – began just after daybreak and it was over by 7:30 a.m. Memphis surrendered at 10 a.m. and Major General William Tecumseh Sherman took command six weeks later.
The Real Forrest
The battle was one of the briefest and most inept naval battles in American history, but the Confederate navy had been demolished. Memphis became a magnet for Northern merchants. When General Ulysses S. Grant took command of Memphis for a short period, and, after observing the smuggling carried out here, he said that the disloyalty of Memphians to their own Rebel cause was striking.
The so-called Second Battle of Memphis took place August 21, 1864, at 4 a.m. It was a raid led by Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, slave and plantation owner, Memphis slave trader, first grand wizard of the vigilante group, the Klu Klux Klan, and the antagonist in the renaming of the Memphis park where he is buried. His raid was largely a tactical failure and only lasted a few hours, and more than anything, it led to the Union beefing up its forces in Memphis until military rule ended on July 3, 1865.
All in all, Memphis’s failure to become a bastion of the Confederacy led to it avoiding the destruction that befell Atlanta, Richmond, and several other Southern cities. Memphis emerged from the Civil War largely unscathed physically and its businesses were reasonable intact.
Unexpected Help
At least when it came to General Forrest, Memphis had at least had a body to drag from the cemetery and plant in a city park. The basis for a Jefferson Davis Park is threadbare and Confederate Park only exacerbated the foolishness of honoring a misguided era in Southern history.
It was commendable of Memphis City Councilman Myron Lowery to put the name changes for these parks squarely on the local agenda, but it was up to a Tea Partier living in Parkers Crossroads 111 miles northeast of Memphis to bring the issue to a boil. Republican Representative Steve McDaniel, who stakes a lot of his personal identity in “Southern historic preservation” (an interest listed on his legislative website) is historian for the Parkers Crossroads Battlefield Association, which commemorates another failed campaign by Gen. Forrest and offers about as much to celebrate in the annals of Confederacy heroism.
Once Mr. McDaniel had sponsored a bill in the Tennessee Legislature that would ban the renaming of historical parks and monuments, he gave momentum to the call for name changes that might otherwise have faded away as they had done in previous years.
It’s one of the chief ironies of the Tennessee Legislature that now that these extreme conservatives have a super majority, their past complaints about big government interference and their creed that the best government is closest to the people have fallen victims to their own demagoguery, forcing their personal opinions and beliefs on the rest of us in a series of mean-spirited legislative bills that have attracted national attention and placed the legislature at the top of lists for the worst in the nation.
Political Interference
In this vein, Rep. McDaniel’s reaches out from his town of 241 people – 80% of them Caucasians – to mandate his Confederate obsessions on a majority African-American city of 652,050. He now suggests that his bill wasn’t aimed at Memphis’s Confederate-named parks, but anyone who believes that probably also believes that General Forrest won his raids into Memphis and Parkers Crossroad.
Much of the pushback by people defending the Confederate-named parks suggest that the rest of us are trying to change history, but that’s ludicrous. Every city has the right to name parks, roads, and buildings whatever they want to name them, and Memphis has changed the names of other city facilities to adapt to changing times and history.
Every community has the right to change its mind, but people like Rep. McDaniel continue to hang on to a past that bears little relevance to most of us living in the South today. Some seem to have renewed interest in Confederate parks merely because of their aggravation in living in a majority black region, but for those who are sincere in their interest in the Civil War, there are still plenty of battlefields, monuments, and reenactments for them in places which much more pertinence than Memphis.
Historic Perspective
Dr. Aram Goudsouzian, director of the Marcus W. Orr Center for the Humanities at the University of Memphis, summed it up well: “No one is saying we should erase Nathan Bedford Forrest from our history books – our understanding of history. But a public park is not a history book. It’s a public place with a monument that suggests this person stands for values that we celebrate as a community.”
Dr. Goudsouzian, one of 45 faculty and graduate students at University of Memphis who signed a letter supporting the park renaming, makes the point that “with rare exceptions,” professional historians find the celebration of General Forrest “distasteful.” In addition, he punctured a hole in the naïve argument that General Forrest’s Ku Klux Klan was a social club and that he was sensitive to the changing roles of black Southerners. Rather, the professor said the Klan was a terrorist group whose purpose was to prevent full citizenship for African-Americans.
In his history of Memphis, Cotton Row to Beale Street, Dr. Robert Sigafoos wrote: “Forrest bore the title of Supreme Grand Wizard. He is believed to have personally directed night riders in terror raids in West Tennessee and Eastern Arkansas…He was particularly hostile to changes wrought by Reconstruction and reacted forcefully.”
Besides the historical accuracy argument, there are people, including the editor of The Commercial Appeal, who trot out the glib, if not appealing, comment that Memphis has more to worry about than the names of Confederate parks. It seems peculiar advice for the only U.S. metro with more than one million people that is majority African-American.
The Right Message
The truth is that mature cities do more than one or two things at a time. They are doing all sorts of things at the same time – improving their image, improving their schools, and improving their economies. And all of these are interrelated, including changing a stuck-in-time image reinforced by parks named for a time in our history when Southern leaders stood on the side of people as property.
There are other people who are in charge of marketing the city who think this controversy has been damaging to the Memphis brand. It’s hard for us to understand how it is anything but, because a city devoted to being inclusive and sensitive seems to us to be the best message we could be sending out right now, particularly as we try to attract 25-34 year-old college-educated talent. Even more, if Memphis is to be a center of talent, it would seem only logical that it should be a hub of African-American talent, which is now being sucked up by Atlanta, Charlotte, and yes, even Nashville.
About a decade ago, the Memphis Talent Magnet report cautioned against the negative impact of a Memphis brand that featured riverboats and other images that populate our websites that repel young, college-educated workers who are defined as much as anything by their diversity and their desire to be part of a progressive, vibrant city.
So, for more reasons than just historical accuracy, it was simply time for Confederate parks to go the way of the Confederacy itself.
Amen. It’s not about “erasing history,” it’s about WHO a city chooses to HONOR in history. BTW, I am white and had several ancestors who actually fought for the Confederacy. The idea of a noble “Lost Cause” ought to be disgusting to any American who believes in freedom and equality.
Another great post. Personally, I see an opportunity to honor someone other than a local figure. Why not name a park for our first African American President? (and name the airport for Obama before another city does) Why not name a park for Roosevelt, Lincoln or Kennedy. Why does Memphis always feel the need to put the names of local people on our parks and monuments? We become part of the larger nation and world by honoring thoughtful progressive world leaders. I hope that we ask the Civil Right Museum board to make suggestions – they often honor world-renowned figures – not just locals.
Lets rename Monticello since Jefferson was a slave holder with 600 slaves…These Parks offended….not a soul in Memphiis,not a soul but a few hotshots in political office looking to make an even bigger name for themselves…Your P.C.attitude is sickening but back to the point…Rename Monticello since it may offend some blacks who havent a clue about its history anyway.The average black in Memphis could care less about those Parks…..and know the history behind it ..? ha !…History..? whats that ?
Monticello is a great example. It has an entire program about slavery and Jefferson’s role in it and how it drove the Monticello economy. The tours about this are fascinating and takes you, as much is possible 200 years later, into the lives of people who were property to their owners, and how this was engrained into the thinking of the founding fathers. So, Monticello is a poster child for how to handle these issues with balance and honesty. We’d be all for an historic addition to Forrest Park that includes a memorial to the slave auctions that Forrest conducted and to the terrorist raids he led to intimidate African-Americans from taking up their new rights. Now, that’s historical accuracy..
That said, you seem to have missed our point. We’re not about changing history – although a monument to Forrest would be similar to a monument to Goebbels in Germany. . We’re for getting the history right and there is no deep Confederate history in Memphis that deserves three parks. That’s about one for every three months we were part of the Confederacy. It’s overkill and it suggests a history that never existed here. In the overriding interest in historical accuracy, we are glad the parks are renamed.
Also, we appreciate your clairvoyance in knowing what the “average black” in Memphis cares about those parks. At any rate, we think you are simply wrong and you are desperately trying to make your opinion match history. They don’t.
No sir,your missing the point & Im never “desperate”..clairvoyance ?..no ..the truth…The only reason your writing this article & taking your stance is to attract the P.C.crowd of readers….? eh ?…Terrorists Raids,…hahahaha..Yea ! Prove it ? When and where ?…I see your another History Major with a minor in journalism or was it bowling…The P.C.Memphis bunch,what a joke….
You wouldnt know historical accuracy if it slapped you in the face….
Dr. Aram Goudsouzian, director of the Marcus W. Orr Center ,…hahahahahahahahaha….yea !! hahahahahaha an expert on Southern History hahahaha
Your historical facts about the Confederate History of Memphis are so “off the Wall” its comical…..comical…Use that Bowling Degree ,do ya ?
Its quite a shame Dr.Shelby Foote has passed away as Im sure he would help you get your data & Confederate facts straight about the city during the War…..Your facts are taken so out of context,… its comical,there I go again using the word “comical” …it fits you & your comments..
I hope that you have now gotten to your meds and things are feeling better now.
If we are trying to attract pc crowd, how did we get you?
Finally, I have enjoyed several lunches with Shelby Foote (he would laugh at you calling him Dr. Foote since he dropped out of college and had an honorary degree). He considered Forrest a genius but he never would have inflated Memphis history to pretend that it was some kind of Confederate stronghold.
No sir,the only meds Ill take are Zantac,its for an upset stomach as your comments make me sick…Im sure you were real “pals” with Shelby ..(only in your mind) as he would disagree with this “abuse of power” also…..Here you go again taking things out of context about Memphis Confederate History….Who said it was a Confederate stronghold..? Who said that ? You did…The principal of this Post is Changing the names of Parks,not your distorted views on Memphis Confederate History…The decision of that ridiculous Memphis City Council is a total abuse of power,period…Let the people vote ?. You had lunch with Shelby,…ha ! You are not fit sir,to shine his shoes….and if you think Shelby would have agreed with this decision,you need to head to Western State Hospital in Bolivar…maybe you can “distort” their History…
The point is clear and you have proven how ignorant and bigoted you are. The city owes an apology and a decree to preserve the parks as they are, to restore the granite marker placed there by the S.C.V. Gen. Forrest needs to recognized for the patriot he was and civil liberties fighter for the colored people of Memphis. He spoke up for African American’s during the worst period of reconstruction and fought for their equal opportunity. There is no evidence to support he was ever a grand wizard for the KKK, he was known as the wizard of the saddle for his horsemanship that’s two totally separate things. The only good thing about your article is the bigotry it reveals about you and those who support your ignorant rant.
Let me get this straight Memphis bureaucrats…
Your streets are a disgrace, your dropout rate is among the highest in the state, your teens lead the state by far in sexually transmitted diseases. They have the highest rate of school suspensions, expulsions and dropouts, and one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the state, one in three under age 18 lives in poverty. Their music promotes anarchy and violence against police and women. In some Memphis communities, it is the social norm to become sexually active at an early age and not to make school a priority, said psychologist Sidney Ornduff. Black on Black crime is out of control. The black community has a 70% plus single parent birth rate and your young men can’t seem to keep their pants up so they parade around like fools…
BUT ALL YOU’RE CONCERNED WITH IS DISHONORING AND DISINTERING CONFEDERATE GENERAL NATHAN BEDFORD FORREST, WHO DID MORE THAN ANYONE IN MEMPHIS FOR RACE RELATIONS DURING HIS DAY AND ACTUALLY SPOKE IN DEFENSE OF AND CAME TO THE AIDE OF BLACKS IN MEMPHIS…
Shame on you Memphis, shame on you…
This is all smoke and mirrors by the race baiters (the real racists) to divert attention from the issues in the community. My question to the Memphis bureaucrats is, what could be done if you put forth this kind of effort to eliminate the genuine problems you have in your community? Whether you like it or not, you can’t change history.
Typical overheated, nonthinking rhetoric. No one here has talked about disinterring Forrest and as far as we know, no one in Memphis is. Get your facts straight.
And if you want to malign the city that we are fighting for, your smears are as irresponsible about your misplaced historical outrage.
Memphis has no Confederate history to speak of, and why we are honoring someone so devoid of American values and a traitor to our nation is beyond us. But back to our primary point, Memphis has no proud, distinguished Confederate history worth celebrating. Heck, the mosquito had more impact over us than the Civil War by far. Let’s put up a monument to it too.
This isn’t Richmond or Atlanta. Let’s get history straight by getting it in perspective.
As for the comment, “Forrest needs to recognized for the patriot he was and civil liberties fighter for the colored people of Memphis,” we’re too busy laughing to answer that one.
Keep laughing because the whole country is laughing at Memphis and your skewed priorities…You wouldn’t know your history if it bit you on the backside.
I’ve got my facts straight sweetheart: Change.org petition
“There have been other protests against this part, and demanding a name change from this racist mass murderer. Now it has finally been done, but the hated symbols in the park remain, including the tomb of N.B. Forrest.”
I can only assume the next step would be a move for disinterment and the only mass murderers during the conflict wore Yankee blue.
…WHAT THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT GENERAL NATHAN BEDFORD FORREST!
(General Forests Escort Company-Usually between 40 and 90 of his most trusted men were the equivalent of today’s special forces (Navy Seals) and included eight of Forest’s slaves. In late August 1868, General Forrest gave an interview to a reporter. Forrest said of the black men who served with him: …“these boys stayed with me…and better Confederates did not live.”
During the Civil War, Forrest’s Confederate cavalry wrecked havoc among Union forces throughout the mid-South. He gained worldwide fame from his many battlefield successes, but the wartime heroics have overshadowed his post-war work as a community leader and civil rights advocate. He fought fiercely on the battlefield, yet was a compassionate man off the field. After the war, Forrest worked tirelessly to build the New South and to promote employment for black Southerners. Forrest was known near and far as a great general, and was a well-respected citizen by both blacks and whites alike.
After the Civil War, General Forrest made a speech to the Memphis City Council (then called the Board of Aldermen). In this speech he said that there was no reason that the black man could not be doctors, store clerks, bankers, or any other job equal to whites. They were part of our community and should be involved and employed as such just like anyone else. In another speech to Federal authorities, Forrest said that many of the ex-slaves were skilled artisans and needed to be employed and that those skills needed to be taught to the younger workers. If not, then the next generation of blacks would have no skills and could not succeed and would become dependent on the welfare of society.
Forrest’s words went unheeded. The Memphis & Selma Railroad was organized by Forrest after the war to help rebuild the South’s transportation and to build the ‘new South’. Forrest took it upon himself to hire blacks as architects, construction engineers and foremen, train engineers and conductors, and other high level jobs. In the North, blacks were prohibited from holding such jobs. When the Civil War began, Forrest offered freedom to 44 of his slaves if they would serve with him in the Confederate army. All 44 agreed. One later deserted; the other 43 served faithfully until the end of the war.
Put that in your liberal racist pipe and smoke it darlin….and if you happen to be a man, PULL YOUR PANTS UP, you look like a fool.
Memphis…ha ! The City that “was”……Maybe Janice Fullilove got her Xanax filled & you can gobble some up with her since your so interested in medication…..Memphis….the City that “was”….Your facts,your distortions of History are what the “rest” of us are laughing about…..dined with Shelby Foote,…ha ! probably his waiter…..Let the people of Shelby County vote on this P.C.boy….you would lose & you know it….
It is with great sadness I see the city of Memphis openly denigrate 3 parks solely for ” Political Correctness”. If the city had bothered to do some research they would have found that assertions were unfounded and that they are catering to groups that will not do anything positive for the city and or it’s heritage.
I have stopped by Memphis for years on my was to and from Lousiana, even though it was out of my way, for a good meal and a nights sleep. I can tell you without a doubt that myself and many others will never set foot in the city again if this none sense continues.
Thanks for the post Robert M. I think Gen.Forrest was a great man. Like all of us he was not perfect either. I think he should stay in his park with his name
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AMEN Robert! The City of Memphis is a laughing stock of the whole country now, due to these ignorant, racist moves and the obvious way they went about making these moves. It is plain that they were the desperate ones by rushing to push their racist agenda into place before the State made it unlawful to do so. That in itself explains the whole situation. They obviously were afraid to allow a vote of the people of the county to determine for themselves what they would like to do and chose instead to push their own agenda into place without giving notice to the people (including anybody who had an interest and knowledge of the true history of the area) so that nobody had a chance to voice an opposing opinion. Memphis, the cesspool of the South! It would not be much of a loss if the River changed courses and washed the area clean. How sad, ignorant and racist you are showing yourselves to be! These kinds of actions are what keep the country so divided. Some people cannot stand it if there is not some kind of racial strife stirred up and getting media coverage. I think a boycott of the city is in order.
Seems to me Forrest worked to facilitate good relations between blacks and whites, much more than the present divisive policy makers —
Forrest’s speech to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association July 5, 1875.
A convention and BBQ was held by the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association at the fairgrounds of Memphis, five miles east of the city. An invitation to speak was conveyed to General Nathan Bedford Forrest, one of the city’s most prominent citizens, and one of the foremost cavalry commanders in the late War Between the States. This was the first invitation granted to a white man to speak at this gathering. The invitation’s purpose, one of the leaders said, was to extend peace, joy, and union, and following a brief welcoming address a Miss Lou Lewis, daughter of an officer of the Pole-Bearers, brought forward flowers and assurances that she conveyed them as a token of good will. After Miss Lewis handed him the flowers, General Forrest responded with a short speech that, in the contemporary pages of the Memphis Appeal, evinces Forrest’s racial open-mindedness that seemed to have been growing in him.
Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God’s earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don’t propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I’ll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)
Whereupon N. B. Forrest again thanked Miss Lewis for the bouquet and then gave her a kiss on the cheek. Such a kiss was unheard of in the society of those days, in 1875, but it showed a token of respect and friendship between the general and the black community and did much to promote harmony among the citizens of Memphis.
http://www.tennessee-scv.org/ForrestHistSociety/forrest_speech.html
“Much of the pushback by people defending the Confederate-named parks suggest that the rest of us are trying to change history, but that’s ludicrous. Every city has the right to name parks, roads, and buildings whatever they want to name them, and Memphis has changed the names of other city facilities to adapt to changing times and history.” So if the city wanted to rename its parks etc. Che Rivera, Charles Manson, or Joseph Stalin that would be appropriate?
Wow, I can think of hundreds of things in, say, cities like Washington DC, Montgomery and New Orleans that fall in to the category which you feel 25-34 year-old college-educated talent could care less about. Guess we should get rid of all that stuff too! Just think, if we do as you suggest, eventually there will be nothing left of the history of this country to remember it by. Now that’s a plan.
“…because a city devoted to being inclusive and sensitive…”
Now that’s funny stuff right there…..devoted to being inclusive and sensitive right up until the point you’re dealing with citizens who appreciate the Confederate history and culture of Memphis. They apparently don’t count. This is what makes your argument extremely flawed.
“So if the city wanted to rename its parks etc. Che Rivera, Charles Manson, or Joseph Stalin that would be appropriate?”
Pathetic effort !! You forgot Adolf Hitler on your list. I suppose you are attempting to smear Forrest by association.
I hear and see Memphis going the way of Detroit, you will not be getting my tourist dollars. “People that forget the past are doomed to repeat it”
Thank you, Robert! I follow you on facebook and twitter and your posts are factual and correct! It’s tough battling ignorance and racism but you do a great job! Deo Vindice!
May the spirits of all our dear Confederate Ancestors haunt you every dreams at night and remind you of the cause for which they suffered and died!!!!!!
You would move a man’s grave just to support your politically correct views? Is it at all possible that teaching the truth about General Forest could over the long run do more for race relations in Memphis than following what was said to demonize Confederates during reconstruction?
Among many silly things stated by the author of this piece, I find this particular comment made the author the silliest, “the foolishness of honoring a misguided era in Southern history”. Misguided? In that case, the signers of the Declaration of Independence were “misguided,” because they based the declaration on the premise that all people have a natural right to self-government, have the natural right to separate themselves from a government they find oppressive and form a new government. Those Americans who separated from the United States of America in 1860-1861, and removed themselves from under what they believed to be an oppressive government, and founded a new independent America republic, were acting on the same principles, on the same natural right to self-government that guided America’s great Founders. Misguided? Only someone who is absymally ignorant of the facts of American history would call it “misguided.”
I as an American who’s forefathers came from Germany in 1700. They faught.and died for this country in both the revaluation and the war against northern agression.so what you are telling me is that my family history I should not care about or get involed with. The war between the states were just as if not more important than any other war that has ever been or will be.it put brother against brother I say leave my heratige alone do not touch my museums or my parks for I am a citizen who vote mess with my fallen Heros you mess with a tax payer who can vote you out
Memphis, say goodbye to my vacationing and dollars. Even scaling back using FedEx as much as possible… You want to play PC crap, enjoy it. Me and mine will stay well clear of your childish games. You can not rewrite history no matter how hard you try.
This isn’t about political correctness. As we have said, and you are determined not to hear (which is typical), it is about historical correctness and accuracy. Memphis was in the backwater of the Civil War and its surrender after two hours of battle suggests how weak was the commitment to the war’s prosecution.
Historians overwhelmingly rebut the wishful thinking encapsulated in the notion of this slave dealer turned black empowerer. It’s a fantasy up there with Cinderella. After the war, Forrest was trying to make a living in a Brownlow environment but his superficial behaviors to get business were contradicted by his Klan activities. And if he was Mother Teresa after the Civil War, how does that pardon the unpardonable before the Civil War.
You are not paying tribute to history. You are rewriting history with tomes about the noble South, Southerners’ fighting for their way of life (which happened to be built on the backs of people as property, Northern aggression (in pursuit of basic human rights – all men are created equal), and you even warp what the founding fathers wrote to suit your motives.
It’s puzzling to many of us why you are investing so much emotion and time into a war fought by traitors to keep a slave economy alive. You can offer up all the other rationale, but it comes down to that central fact. I had officers on both sides of my family fighting for the Confederacy, but I feel no compulsion to treat their bad decisions as worthy of my memorializing their misguided politics.
Thanks for all the comments. You ratify more than anything we could say that it’s time to rename these parks and get into the 21st century where monuments to ignoble values no longer degrade this great city.
By Chris Herrington, Memphis Flyer:
The parks issue is essentially a localized proxy war in a larger conflict over the past, present, and future of Southern identity. Memphis’ Confederate parks and monuments, like most remaining emblems of the Confederacy throughout the South, are essentially political. They were not and are not about remembering the Civil War but were and are symbols of resistance to what came after, namely the long, hard slog toward the equality that the Confederacy was organized to deny. Anyone clinging to long-corrupted memories of the Confederacy in 2013 is not doing so out of a respect for history or fealty to ancestors but out of their own present resistance to changing demographics and other impingements of modernity.
The most common and most eye-rolling complaint about the prospect of renaming these parks or removing these monuments is the contention that to do so is to erase or whitewash history. In fact, that’s exactly what the parks and monuments were designed to do.
This suggestion is an affront to the very notion of historical seriousness. As if these inherently political 20th-century monuments to racist defiance are somehow akin to the sacred battlefields of Shiloh or Gettysburg. The monuments are part and parcel with the immediate attempt by the Confederacy and its descendants to rewrite the meaning of the war. And few were so flagrant in this regard as Jefferson Davis, whose three years living in Memphis late in life in no way justify the blight of his visage along Front Street today.
It’s difficult to get past something you’ve been unwilling to go through. But maybe one way to do both is to alter our conception of the war. From a contemporary Southern viewpoint, it’s well past time to finally see the Civil War for what it ultimately was — not a war of loss but of liberation. And not just for the third of the Southern population — the descendants of whom have every bit as much a claim to “Southern heritage” as anyone — who were liberated from literal bondage. But for the white South as well, which was liberated — at a terrible cost and with, it turned out, too deliberate speed — from the dehumanizing bonds of a slave society.
The monuments and parks, as presently constituted, do not reveal history — real history. They mask it. Glorifying the Confederacy is not an affront to African-American sensibility. It’s an affront to modern sensibility. And reclaiming this history and correcting the record about our past is crucial to our present and future. History belongs to us all. And any answer to the parks issue — and with Forrest Park, at least, there are no easy answers — should be rooted in a true, inclusive reckoning with history.
Those who can’t handle this will, in time, be left further behind. But we can’t let the South — the “New” South, the modern South, our South — be left behind with them.
You Mr. Harrington are a pompous Ass!
“Those who can’t handle this will, in time, be left further behind. But we can’t let the South — the “New” South, the modern South, our South — be left behind with them.” Just exactly who is “we” and “Our South” suppose to imply thats supposed to be “those Left behind?? Sounds as if this “change’ is designed to divide the South between “them” and “Us” in the lofty name of Politically Correct or else??? Sounds like the Old Reconstruction era ultimatum to me. Reconstruct or be disenfranchised?? Hardly a “new South” concept???
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It has been aptly pointed out the contributions General Forrest made to Memphis and the entire area concerning race relations. He was cleared by a congressional committee of ever belonging to the KKK or of any wrongdoing at Fort Pillow. If Memphis wants to be part of a “new South” it needs to clean up it’s streets and internal problems instead of seeking to focus on changing the name of parks and destroying it’s past. You cannot focus on the future by forgetting your past! This was a cherished tactic of Karl Marx. Memphis City Council needs to focus on the things that really need changing instead of diverting attention away from them with this park name change!. You are making yourself irrelevant. Fix what needs fixing and leave history alone!
Memphis is a dump of a city thanks to the leadership (or lack thereof) now. True Southerners will sit back and watch this dumpster fire of a city go the way of Detroit. Don’t say we didn’t warn you!!!!!
Well, by the logic and reason used in the concepts of what needs to be done in the 21st century in the name of being modern and “New”, then we can adopt those concepts held by “Globalists’ and retire old glory and that outdated US Constitution to a museum since it was conceived by those “racist old white men and forget our old concepts of National pride and establish a Global Government where we can all live equal and happily ever after???
“…although a monument to Forrest would be similar to a monument to Goebbels in Germany…”
I always enjoy it when the commies break out with buffoonery like the above.
It was one Adolph Hitler who promised that the National Socialist German Worker’s Party would ‘eliminate States’ Rights forever.’
So, of course, the modern centralizers who embrace the unitary central state think that the Southern Confederacy was ‘just like the National Socialists’ because the Southern Confederacy supported States’ Rights.
Never minde that while the initial three seceeding Southern states cited slavery as one of the reasons behind their decision to withdraw from the voluntary federal compact…. the remaining Southern states elected to withdraw from said compact (see Article VII of same); specifically because a deranged, mass-murdering psychopath named Abraham Lincoln decided to invade a foreign nation made up of the former States.
To say that “slavery was the reason for the war” is a blatant falsehood.
Honour whom you choose. I have a country, though she was defeated, and we are now occupied by a hostile foreign power; she is still my country.
You stick with the Kenyan.
All of your ranting and racism towards those of us who cherish our Southern heritage and honor our Confederate ancestors, shows up exactly what you are: A biased racist who has no tolerance for anyone elses beliefs or views. You and the city officials, want to simply overrun anyone who differs. You are not a progressive; nor is your city. You are going the way of the Nazi movement which wanted to squash and control every voice that might disagree with what they were doing. These attitudes will do nothing but drag your city on further down to a lower level than it is now, if that is possible. This is a shame and disgrace to the South. There will be nothing in Memphis to attract tourists or new residents. Hopefully people will boycott and your dollars will dry up. You obviously do not want nor need tourist dollars in your ‘progressive’ movement to destroy your city.
The notion that Forrest contributed to any positive race relations here is hilarious and some of you seem completely unable to recognize when you are grasping at straws. And if most of you who so hate Memphis and most things black, why then are you so worried about what is done here? What so threatens you as a person by the fact that your ancestors lost a war and did it to keep people as slaves.
We know that the anti-black rhetoric and historical hysteria do not characterize all who observe history with warts and all, but many of the comments left here only underscore how right we are as a city to put distance between our present and your grasping hold on a false, phony past.
We fear that it was this same lack of clear thinking that led my own ancestors to fight in the Confederate armies, but it was the same motivation that leads people to start wars every day for reasons that are ultimately unwise, if not stupid and inhumane.
We were thinking that you were trapped in a time warp, so we guess we shouldn’t be surprised that you still call people “commies.”
We’re going the way of the Nazi movement? Forrest was a forerunner to the Nazi movement. And just for the record, we’re not really into celebrating the Old South anyway. We’ve been stuck in time way too long and it’s why we are languishing economically. And again, if our city is so bad, why are you spending so much time worrying about it?
‘ And just for the record, we’re not really into celebrating the Old South anyway. We’ve been stuck in time way too long and it’s why we are languishing economically.’ So if you are not really into celebrating the Old South anyway, why do you use a drawing from the War era at the heading of your column? Maybe to attract attention???? Pretty ironic that you would use something from the ‘Old South’ to attract attention to your column but you want no part of celebrating anything of the Old South. You contradict your own self. Pointless to argue with someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about.
Yes, Tennessee voted against secession the first time because most hoped that a peaceful solution could be found and the nation saved, but Lincoln’s demand that Tennesseans help provide an army to invade the South led to the vote for secession, not misleading rhetoric as you suggested., Your suggestion that Memphis has no Confederate history because it was occupied by the Federal army is simply ludicrous. Want proof that Forrest had loyal black troops? Read the Official Records of the War regarding the raid on Murfreesboro. The Union commander comments on the number of BLACK Confederates in the attacking force.
If you want to demolish a misguided monument, take down the Lincoln Monument in DC. He was responsible for a war that killed over 500,000 Americans, imprisoned anyone who opposed him, and was hated North and South before his assassination…
That professor Goudsouzian who is so vocal about the Forrest and the South is a Northeastern educated transplant, and not a native of the South or even really knowledgeable about the South. Pay him no mind and tell him to shut up or go back home. Look Memphis was on the Mississippi that is what the yankees wanted control of the Mississippi; Ohio intended to join the Confederatcy if the North had not taken Missouri and W Tennessee. No one expected the War of invasion by the NE to last very long; the South expected to get their freedom.as the Constitution allowed. The Mississppui river outlet and free trade for the South is why they didn’t.
Just read what John Weir wrote about Forrest Park in Memphis and had to pass it on. “Indeed. A park is not a history book. So, why are “historians” looking to become involved in city park policy. Obviously a park and monument suggests this person stands for the values that we celebrate as a community. Otherwise, the Forrest park would not be there. Why are these revisionists, in the bad sense, trying to redefine what Forrest meant the Memphis in order to wipe him from the city? Does Goudsouzian suggest that Forrest was not respected during his life and honored after his death? If he had no redeeming qualities, why is the park there? Why is he and his wife and descendant buried there? Why is the large equestrian statue there?
There is no evidence Forrest was a leader of the KKK. He denied belonging to the organization – which was locally, not nationally, controlled.
If the KKK of the 1860’s and 1870’s was a “terrorist” organization, so were the Union Leagues and Freedmen’s Bureau who also worked to intimidate and repress parts of the Southern electorate to keep radical Republican carpetbagger rule in place.”
TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF MEMPHIS, TN: (who recently voted unanimously to rename “Forrest Park” in Memphis, were lie the last remains of Forrest and his wife, Mary Ann……”Health and Science Park”) An excerpt from “Nathan Bedford Forrest’s REDEMPTION”, by Baptist Minister Shane E. Kastler, Pelican Publishing Co., 2010: (partly edited for space)
“History continues to malign the memory of Nathan Bedford Forrest, but Forrest found redemption in Jesus Christ……….
In fact Forrest could easily be held up by civil rights leader today as the very model of what they wish all racists would become…….
One wonders if the civil rights community of today even knows the truth about who Nathan Bedford Forrest REALLY was.
When he died in 1877, thousands packed the streets of Memphis for his funeral, and many of those attendees were black………
General Sherman called him “that Devil Forrest” during the War but afterwards declared Forrest the “one true military genius the Civil War produced”. But through the blood of Jesus, even “that Devil from Tennessee” received God’s Grace. Therein lies the amazing, poignant, and glorious story of the Devil’s redemption.”
“Amazing grace, how sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found.
Was blind, but now I see.”
For a group of people that are so passionate about the South controlling its own destiny, you sure are obsessed with denying Memphis the power to make decisions as fundamental as the naming of parks. And if you now use a professor’s birthplace as part and parcel of proving some innate prejudice toward the South, it’s no wonder that you are still stuck in time lighting candles at the feet of the slave dealer’s statue. Sorry, Memphis has the right to name parks anything it wishes and if it wishes to get into the New South and quit wallowing in the Old South, it sounds like a good plan to us.
“Sounds like a good plan to us”….who is “us”….? You..? The briliant History Major..? Youre a joke…..time for you and Fulliliove to take youre meds….
Its time for you to head on up to Bolivar pal…….Western State Hospital has room….How could anyone take you seriously with your blatant ,fictional lies…in regards to your historical accusations ? Prove it…Show me..When and Where ?
Hey Dumb City Memphis! Historical Correctness means preservation not desecration and the Memphis City Council is acting no different than the fascists, NAZI’s, Communists, Al Queda terrorists who destroyed cultural heritage in the name of what they thought was right. The city should be sued for racism and bigotry and the council needs to be VOTED OUT!